E59 | Sir John Kirwan

Episode summary | Sir John Kirwan

Sir John Kirwan is one of the greatest players to have played rugby and was one of the biggest names in New Zealand sport in the 80s and 90s. An All Blacks legend he switched codes in 1995 and became a Warrior, before moving into coaching.

Incredibly though, his work off the field is just as impressive, having been at the forefront of mental health awareness for over 15 years working to shine the light on the dark world of depression – an illness he suffered himself while at the top of his game as an athlete. In 2012 he was knighted for his services to mental health and rugby.

His three kids have excelled in beach volleyball, football, and rowing. His passion for Italy comes through in his business JK.14 Wines with his daughter Francesca, and can regularly been seen on TV putting across strong opinions on rugby.

This was a powerful episode that delved deep into JK’s upbringing, lessons from his late father, and charts his mental health journey with some important messages for everyone.

Show notes | Sir John Kirwan

***Disclaimer***

This episode deals with issues of anxiety, depression, and suicide. If you or anyone you know is struggling with these sorts of issues, Lifeline Aotearoa’s helpline and textline provides 24/7, confidential support from qualified counsellors and trained volunteers. Text ‘Help’ to 4357 or call 0800 LIFELINE (0800 543 354).

2.04 A big week for JK with his son Niko getting the call up to the All Whites

5.53 “Why I Am” a book bought by Seamus for a friend

11.10 JK and his kids: Francesca, Niko, Luca

19.02 Critiquing former teammates, strong opinions, conflict and confrontation

29.28 Lessons from a dad: The making of JK

37.45 Are you willing to pay the price?

47.01 Turning into the world’s best

51.36 Old school v new school

57.02 The mental health journey

1.05.55 Speaking publicly about mental health

1.11.22 Other New Zealand voices in mental health

1.13.55 Normalising the mental health conversation

1.20.30 Crying, anger, and alcohol

1.28.18 Reflecting on the Cavaliers tour of 1986

1.32.31 Speaking Italian

1.34.16 From mate to bro: JK on Jonah Lomu

1.37.13 Rugby League and the Warriors

1.39.27 Last words from Steven, Seamus and JK